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Goodbye Carnegie Bill

In the wake of this week’s apology to orphans and “children of the empire”, I was telling the story of Bill Ferguson to Peter Severin from Curtin Springs Station.

Peter smiled as I provided a brief summary of Bill’s extraordinary life, but waited until I’d finished. “I knew Bill very well,” he said, surprising me. “He was a good bloke. He came to me and said he’d help me put a bore in, and off we went and did it. It was called New Moon Bore.”

The story was a perfect fit for Bill Ferguson, who took quiet pride in the fact that no matter where he stopped in his journey, he had tried to make a difference.

“Wherever I’ve gone, I’ve established something, “ Bill told me in an interview for ABC local radio in Alice Springs in 1997, “ whether it be windmills, stockyards, horse-breaking, anything like that. And I’m remembered by that mark. Oh, that’s old Bill. Old Carnegie Bill’s gone though there.”

Bill was taken from his mother as a baby in Scotland, kept by “the nuns’ in a Catholic orphanage and, while still a boy, shipped off to another in Bindoon, north of Perth in Western Australia.

Bindoon was a step up up from Scotland, where he recalls he was beaten “black and blue’’ by the nuns for trying to escape on numerous occasions. But Bill managed to break away and create his own destiny before he was a teenager.

“Farmed out’ by the orphanage in Perth to work for nothing, he was brought back by the farm owners on their way to take a holiday. They left him at the gate with a five kilometre walk to the orphanage. Bill waited till the car had gone, and walked away from the gates and into his life as a bushman.

Bill soon made friends with an Aboriginal boy, Henry Fraser, and found an acceptance he hadn’t known since he was taken from his mother. The pair worked at Carnegie Station, where most of the people in the district were Aboriginal.

“i’ve never lived with a white family in Australia. It was easier to get on with the Aboriginal people. They accepted me and I accepted the. When I was them, i accepted their ways. I didn’t push my ways.’’


Henry, Bill and Henry’s family then walked their way from Laverton to Ayers Rock, and Bill spent most of the rest of his life in Central Australia working on stations and around Alice Springs, where he stayed at Old Ilparpa, near the quarry there.

He met Patricia Button in 1974 and took on the job of helping her raise four children. ‘’He grew Neville , Nigel, Michelle and me like his own children,” Tahnee said at Bill’s funeral this year.

Bill got sick a few years ago. He was always lean, and I was impressed to see him pull out of it after wasting away to a gaunt, skeletal state. We’d met more than a decade earlier, when he was setting up the Tyeweretye Social Club. Apart from his dry humour, I most remember him making coffee by pouring boiling water on ground coffee in a jam jar.

Bill had a dream. It was the dream of a practical man, not an idealist.

He believed it was possible for Aboriginal people to drink without drinking themselves into a stupor every time they did. If there was no way of putting the alcohol genie back in the bottle, surely the only answer was to create places where people could learn to drink in a civilised way.

“He was passionate about it,’’ said Peter Severin. “He used to say to me how crazy it was that people could buy alcohol but had nowhere they could drink it.”

Bill’s long-term plan, which of course never eventuated, was to create four drinking clubs for Aboriginal people, in the north, south, east and west of Alice Springs. It was a radical concept, and in the face of opposition that continued to grow, he was forced to accept a flawed compromise: one club.

I recorded my ABC interview about his life as an orphan of the empire with Bill at the club, while he had still high hopes for its future. Families came and children played in the grounds. Meals were served and drunks were not. Yet, for a host of reasons, mostly beyond his control, the club failed. Bill was bitterly disappointed that the mark he had made on Alice Springs was abandoned and left to languish on Len Kittle Dive.

It still stands, unused, a scandalous waste of prime land and infrastructure, while political conversations about the need for controlled drinking venues for Aboriginal people come and go and police pour out hundreds of litres of “illegal’’ alcohol every weekend.

Bill left other legacies, however. Taken from his own family, Bill grew up four children – Neville, Nigel, Michelle and Tahneee “like his own” … as Tahnee put it at his funeral.

“He never said no. He gave family and friends things whenever they were down and out. he was a true friend to all who knew him, and a proud grandpa to Jymiel,’’ she said.


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7 Responses to “Goodbye Carnegie Bill”

  1. FMark says:

    Hi Dave,

    I’d be interested to hear your opinion about why the Tyeweretye Social Club failed. It’s not particularly well documented.

    Cheers!

    • Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I actually wrote a piece for the Advocate with Bill about this in the year before he died. In the first place of course, the Tangentyere Liquor Committee and Bill didn’t get the four clubs they sought, in the north, south, east and west of the town, so as well as the club having to cater for all the different groups, it was a fair distance for most people to get to. Secondly they had to deal with a lot of opposition form people who didn’t really want the club to exist. Many of those were non-drinking Aboriginal people from out bush, who saw any alcohol as a disaster. Some opponents were people from nearby who were affected by occasional chaotic scenes outside the club, caused by people who couldn’t get in because they were intoxicated. Also, Bill believed that the pubs became more competitive and their standards were a lot less exacting than the club’s, so people started falling into the current uncontrolled drinking pattern of drinking at the three morning bars and then getting their takeaways. Obviously there were some debt problems, but they weren’t insurmountable. If I could track down that article from the Advocate, it would refresh my memory. Are you interested?

      • FMark says:

        Absolutely, that would be great. I can do a little research if you’d like, if you know roughly when it was published.

        • I would have to search for it. I think the article was 2009, probably the last part of it. If you are in Alice Springs you could do a search on their Advocate database. Otherwise I could.

  2. FMark says:

    Found it on Factiva (Social club was meant to be the first of four, Dave Richards, 16 January 2009).

    I could post the text here for completeness if that would suit you.

  3. FMark says:

    Social club was meant to be the first of four.
    Centralian Advocate, Dave Richards, 16 January 2009, p. 5

    THE Tyeweretye Social Club started in the early 1980s with about a quarter of its set up capital from an Aboriginal Development Corporation loan of $250,000.

    Tyeweretye was created by the Tangentyere Liquor Committee as part of a broad strategy to deal with grog-related issues.

    The strategy also involved opposing new liquor licences and lobbying for restricted liquor trading hours. The committee was also instrumental in establishing the Drug and Alcohol Services Assocation (DASA) and its sobering-up shelter.

    The club was meant to be the first of four social clubs around the town where Aboriginal people could drink in a relaxed and controlled environment.

    At its height Tyeweretye had 2000 registered members.

    Former manager Bill Ferguson said: “It was a safe environment for familes, where they could have a meal, meet up with their friends and the kids could play.”

    But the club struggled to survive without outside support and was still saddled with a debt which had been transferred to ATSIC.

    “In the early days of Tyeweretye the clubs and pubs of the town didn’t want Aboriginal people,” Mr Ferguson said. The dress regulations were so tough that people couldn’t get in.

    “Then after we’d been open for a while there was a tourism downturn and the hotels pitched to the Aboriginal market again.”

    He said the negative publicity the club received because of fights and other incidents outside its gates was exaggerated.

    “You have to compare that with what goes on in some of the town camps,” Mr Ferguson said.

    The club stopped operating in March 2005, when Tangentyere Council agreed to take over its operation.

    But Mr Ferguson said plans for Tangentyere council to shift some of its offices to the large site, to expand a grocery shop on the site and to develop it as a transit centre for people from the bush had come to nothing. The NT Government had given no support to the plans.

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